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sldrose
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Intro and leader question

Post by sldrose » Sat Feb 04, 2017 8:02 am

Hi all,

I'm Sean, an aussie living in Canada for the last 5 years.

I'm visiting the south Isl in April (6-16th) for my 3rd fishing trip to your great Country.

Just thought i'd introduce myself and reach out for any tips and advice.

My last 2 trips were down in Southland and fishing the Mataura, Waikaia, Oreti.
First trip was great, and we had good weather.
Second trip rained out and the rivers were blown. It forced us into Mavora lakes and lake TeAnau.

I booked guides for a couple of days both times, some good, some bad, some hampered by weather.

This trip I'm looking to explore the Westcoast and Nelson regions.

I've caught my share of small fish <4.5lb and Sight fishing for large browns is what I am after.
Looking to get into fish better than 4.5lb.

I've been watching Mike Kirkpatrick vids for inspiration
(tried to book him, but he isn't available)

Also, I'm reluctant to book any other guides as i've been disappointed before. (guide had me blindfishing all day)

Also I don't want to book so far in advance that I don't know what the weather will be doing.

So my leader question is to those of you who use a poly leader in your construction.
(tried searching the forum but couldn't find anything)

found this on old forum from kiwiboy back in 2010, but cant find him to PM him.
I'm with Andy, I havent had problems with them spooking fish although I too add a tapered leader to the end of an 8ft floating. I have a few reels so tend to connect my poly leaders and tapered leaders permanantly with a braid "sleeve" as opposed to an eye which help me wind all the way through the guides without any resistance or added bulk. Also helps when a fish runs and your joins on the reel....nothing to catch and break off that nice shiny tip ring.

An 8ft poly, 9 ft tapered and 3 ft tippet keeps my fly line miles from fish and can turn over in wind.

We dont actually tie the mono out of the poly leader to the tapered leader, we join it with a braid sleeve made up from unwaxed braid. we slide the 2cm long sleeve over both the poly leader (plastic outter coating) and the butt section of the tapered leader with both sections meeting in the middle of the 2cm long sleeve. Both ends of the sleeve where the leaders entre are bound with tying thread and glued, the middle of the braid sleeve where the lines touch is also bound. This creates a smooth permanant joint. We do the same from fly line to polyleader.
If anyone can help me with this type of setup, that would be great.
Are you using a pike or salmon floating polyleader to avoid the stepdown to 12lb step up to 40lb butt on the tapered leader problem??
and how does the braided join work, can anyone point me to a youtube vid?

Also, I have a pretty good idea of the rivers I want to fish, but i'd buy a buy a beer and parma for anyone who is willing to meet up and share some local knowledge.
(as in, don't fish there, impassable gorge etc.)

sorry about the long post

cheers
Sean

sldrose
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Re: Intro and leader question

Post by sldrose » Sat Feb 04, 2017 8:10 am

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Eric_the_king
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Re: Intro and leader question

Post by Eric_the_king » Tue Feb 07, 2017 7:01 am

With regards to guides you should try Anton Donaldson www.nztroutadventures.com. I was put onto him by Mike Kirkpatrick as Mike himself was unavailable. He was excellent and I can highly recommend him.

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Re: Intro and leader question

Post by sldrose » Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:31 am

Eric_the_king wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2017 7:01 am
With regards to guides you should try Anton Donaldson www.nztroutadventures.com. I was put onto him by Mike Kirkpatrick as Mike himself was unavailable. He was excellent and I can highly recommend him.

Thanks Eric, i'll check him out

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Re: Intro and leader question

Post by Bush Wacka » Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:22 am

I use a 20 to 22 foot leader.

A 1 or 2 foot butt section, 30 lb, connected to the fly line.
A 13 foot tappered leader, ending in 10lb.
Then 3 feet of 6lb Maxima Treazure
Finally 3 feet of 4lb Maxima Treazure

The Butt section allows me to change tapered leaders without affecting the fly line.
The 3 feet of 6lb Maxima allows me to replace the 4lb Maxima with affecting the tapered leader.

All is mono filament, not poly leader.

Tight lines.

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fraser hocks
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Re: Intro and leader question

Post by fraser hocks » Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:00 am

If anyone can help me with this type of setup, that would be great.
Are you using a pike or salmon floating polyleader to avoid the stepdown to 12lb step up to 40lb butt on the tapered leader problem??
and how does the braided join work, can anyone point me to a youtube vid?
Hummm Id have to say no! :lol: cant say any of us here are using 12lb to catch trout. Sounds somewhat similar to what you would use in the saltwater but way too heavy for the fresh here in NZ.

Personally I use just the regular loop to loop connection for flyline to a standard tapered mono leader for my 6# setup as thats the outfit I drop to if the wind really gets up or a river is blown and I need to swing streamers ets.. that way I can swap between a floating mono leader and sinking poly leaders in a jiffy, streamside.

For 90% of my work I use a 3# - 5# rod and with those I use the superglue knot to attach my leader to the flyline and then micro rings for attaching the tippet. They really extend the life of the leader, also I believe that the join is far stronger than joining the end of the leader to the tippet with a double uni of surgeons knot etc...

I use one of these little handy gadgets for tying the superglue knot http://www.flyshop.co.nz/BASK.html

A very neat and tidy way off attaching the leader to the flyline. Also means that the join goes through the rod guides with ease. ;)

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Re: Intro and leader question

Post by SteveO » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:56 am

Poly leaders are used in New Zealand and they do help with stepping down from your fly line to smaller Mono. They can turn over quite a remarkable piece of level mono which i finish with a tippet ring. The level section is great for putting a sliding indicator on and from the tippet ring you can add or subtract tippet with out losng your base set up. The sliding indicator allows for super quick depth adjustment. Regards Steve

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